Korean Women, Part 3 (final): A Caucasian Ideal?
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1. Introduction
Back in the second part of Part Two, I discuss the phenomenon of so many Korean women using whitening make-up, usually to excess and in situations where it is completely inappropriate, like on the treadmill at the gym. It’s easy to sound like I’m exaggerating when I describe how much it is used in Korea, but in fact Korean women’s desire for light skin is so strong that, by the time they reach menopause, they have serious vitamin D deficiencies (actually the worst in the world). Apparently, that’s what three decades of not being able to even cross a sunny street without covering your face does to women.
It sounds inconvenient and unhealthy and, based on what I discuss about the socio-biology of cosmetics in Part Two, anti-instinctive too. Clearly, there must be some strong cultural pressures towards and/or advantages to light skin for Korean women that outweigh these disadvantages. In the comments to that last post, Gord Sellar and Skinny Steve argue that the primary explanation is the historical association of light skins with sedentary, indoor elites, and while I agree that that certainly plays a role, it can’t explain why the practice is so widespread across Northeast Asian countries in particular, nor why the vast majority of the “ideal”, light-skinned Northeast Asian women in those countries’ medias have undergone such a plethora of cosmetic surgery operations also. I’ll respond to their comments in detail in the third section of this post.
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Meanwhile, the most notable of those operations is “double-eyelid” surgery, which I variously hear that 60-80% of Korean women have received by their mid-20s, and both argue that the practice either predates contact with Westerners and/or is not reflective of a Korean desire to look Caucasian. Personally, I think it’s too much of a coincidence that the most sought after cosmetic surgery operation by Korean women is for a bodily feature found naturally in much greater numbers amongst Caucasians. By itself it could be coincidence, certainly, but combined with: the skin-whitening as explained; the decades of articles in Korean women’s magazines extorting readers to turn their “incorrect” and “flawed” Korean bodies into Caucasian ideal shapes and forms (which I’ll explain momentarily); and finally the numbers of Caucasians in Korean advertisements, (which I’ll cover in section four), then naturally I do think that the primary purpose of whitening make-up and cosmetic surgery by Korean women is indeed for the specific purpose of making them look more Caucasian. As least in 2008.
2. Sources
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To be fair to Gord and Steve, so far I’ve never mentioned on the blog the fact that, say, Korean women’s magazines do explicitly say that the Korean body is flawed and Caucasian bodies the ideal. There’s very little on the subject in English, especially on Korea (in fact the 2006 article I discuss in the fourth section is the first of its kind), and unless you’re fluent in Korean and are an avid reader of women’s magazines yourself then the only real way of knowing this would be to read the journal articles that I have. I’m not saying that having read them makes me smarter than readers, or that the journal articles themselves aren’t open to interpretation, but…well, that’s what they say, and they do appear to fatally undermine arguments against the links I make between cosmetic surgery, skin-whitening, and a desire to look Caucasian.
Let me (belatedly) provide an example:
The article presents what it considers to be particular features of Korean women – short legs, big face, yellow skin – as problem features that can be corrected by certain types of clothing and colours: ‘For Korean women the best look is the formal tailored suit with padded shoulders. This square shaped suit helps make big faces look smaller and puts the entire body in order’ (italics added). [The author] implies that the imperfect Korean body is disordered but can be put back in order through the tricks of fashion. The body is something to be rearranged so its apparent flaws are concealed or eliminated. These flaws themselves stand out as imperfections because they are features peculiar to Koreans and absent in white models.
That was from page 104 of the 2003 journal article “Neo-Confucian Body Techniques: Women’s Bodies in Korea’s Consumer Society” by Taeyeon Kim (details and abstract here), which was the basis for these posts that I started last month. Since finishing those, I’ve read very similar descriptions of articles in Japanese, Taiwanese and Singaporean women’s magazines too, and because women in those countries also desire light skins and share “Eurasian” ideals of women’s bodies, then I think that basing, say, modern ideals of Japanese women’s skin colours and body forms the white-face painting of geisha is useful and necessary, in a parallel of what commentators said about Korea, but neither the Japanese or Korean hostorical specifics can explain why those ideals are so common to the region.
( Korean actor Jeon Ji-hyun (전지현). Source: wongtai231 )
What does link the region then? Let me adapt the remainder of Taeyeon Kim’s paragraph above, by replacing “Korean” with “East Asian”:
All three elements, the Neo-Confucian woman’s subjectlessness, the perception of East Asian bodies as imperfect, and fashion’s function to re-order the disordered East Asian bodies, make East Asian women’s bodies particularly prone to alterations, rearrangements, and re-creations of the body.
In simple terms, these elements provided a base upon which individual countries’ own culture and histories of the use of cosmetics and so forth built upon. They were important, but I do seriously doubt that those East Asian populations with the means to afford cosmetic surgery operations would have done so quite so readily and in such large numbers without a shared philosophical framework that gave such leeway and encouragement for women to do so.
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That’s the gist of what my theory, anyway, which I’m in the process of researching and fleshing-out, like I discuss here. But for the remainder of this post, first I’ll address points Gord and Steve raised in much more detail, and after that I’ll discuss the phenomenon of large numbers of Caucasians in Korean advertisements.
3. Response to Comments
Sorry in advance if my chopping and pasting and combining of comments maybe (inadvertently) misrepresents commentators’ arguments; I encourage readers to click on the links to their names and read their comments in full before moving on. Also, much of what I’m quoting below I’ve already responded to earlier (they’re the detritus of many rewrites of this post, sorry), so here I’ll try to concentrate on things I haven’t mentioned already.
Here goes then:
In Part Two, Steve said:
In regards to Korean women trying to whiten their skin in order to look more Caucasian, I used to agree, but as I’ve learned more about Korean history and culture, as well as seeing traditional dance performances, I’ve come to conclude that Korean women have been painting their faces ghostly white for a long, long, time because it makes them look more upper-class in the sense that they’re not out working the fields in the hot sun.
And Gord said:
I also would take issue with the idea that Korean women are (at least consciously) trying to look white. After all, as far as I can tell the double-eyelid obsession was in place BEFORE they met us folk, since some percentage of Koreans are born with it naturally (like my fiancée, for one). Paleness, again, would be a sign of domesticity, and thereby a sign of higher status. (And anyway, there’s lots of anecdotal evidence that even in very remote, non-Westernized societies, there are preferences for paler members of the group…my mom has observed it in many groups living in the bush in Malawi, for example.)
I readily agree that Koreans have historically associated lighter skin with stuck-indoors-all-day elites, and that it may well be a universal phenomenon; I first read of it myself while studying Medieval history when I was fourteen, and if you’re interested you can read a specific chronology here of how tanning in turn became a signifier of the leisured (Caucasian) classes, starting in the early 20th Century. But while it’s difficult to empirically quantify, things like Korean women’s vitamin D deficiencies do point to specifically Koreans (and East Asians) desiring lighter skins to a surprising degree, and I don’t think these historical associations are a sufficient explanation.
I’m very surprised to hear about Koreans being obsessed with double-eyelids before meeting Westerners, especially before modern cosmetic surgery allowed Koreans to get them for themselves (I’ll return to this point in a moment). I’d be the last person to doubt the veracity of anything Gord said, but I’d be very grateful if he or anyone else could point me in the direction of sources on that; after all, if all goes well, I’ll be presenting a paper on it in Fukuoka in September!
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Steve continued:
Nowadays, though, I think that it may be playing a part (like, 30-40%), but I still don’t think attempting to look Caucasian is the motivation. I think a Korean woman might say “I buy face whitening cream to look more beautiful” but highly doubt she’d say, “I buy face whitening cream to look like a white woman.” You still don’t see that many Korean women with dyed blond hair walking around, after all.
Like Gord mentions earlier, I’ve never said that Korean women consciously want to look Caucasian (although I still think that some surely do). Arguing that they do reminds me of the British stand-up comedian Ben Elton making a joke about women thinking about making their faces resemble their aroused vaginas as they put on lipstick in the morning (God, considering he said that in 1985, no wonder he got the reputation that he did!); that they don’t doesn’t mean that it is not ultimately a factor in the origins of the cultural habit, just like I won’t think about the universal desire for humans to distinguish ourselves from other animals when I shave tomorrow morning, or that my tie is actually a phallic symbol when I get dressed after that. Well, actually I will now, in a pink elephants fashion, but you get the idea.
What do they consciously say are their motivations then? Well, Gord says:
I’d say Korean women, at least younger ones, are trying more to look like Hyori or Jeon Ji Hyun or some other icon of Korean femininity than, say, Julia Roberts.
As this old post of Robert Koehler’s demonstrates, that’s certainly true. Steve also says:
As far as the double-eyelid surgery is concerned though, I think if anything that trend has come about from Koreans’ own desire to conform. I read somewhere (actually, I think it was an MTV documentary by Soojin Pak, but I can’t remember the title) that a certain percentage of Asians naturally have the double eyelid, so it’s not as if the feature is alien to Korea/Asia. What they see, though, is all the rich and famous people in the world sporting the double eyelids, combined with the Koreans that already have it, and now the double eyelid is considered trendy and beautiful. Again, it doesn’t strike me as overtly trying to look like a Caucasian person. It seems like Koreans are fascinated with big eyes as well, a feature that tends to creep me out more than anything, and I suspect the double-eyelid surgery may haveus much to do with giving an appearance of having bigger eyes than anything else.
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But I think the point that average Korean women are whitening their skins and undergoing cosmetic surgery because they want to look like rich and famous Korean women is, to be blunt, irrelevant: it merely changes the focus of our attention, but doesn’t answer the question of why rich and famous Korean women (rather than average Korean women) are doing so. And returning to the point about double-eyelids, I confess that when I first read Gord’s comment that Koreans were obsessed with them before Western contact, personally I doubted it very much. And were it to be true (and for sure, it might be), I still find it too much of a coincidence that that particular body feature, which Caucasians just so happen to naturally have in far greater numbers than East Asians, has become virtually a mandatory requirement for young Korean women.
(Update: Sorry, I just realized that I forgot to respond to Steve’s point about Koreans’ fascination with big eyes. But personally, I don’t think that that fascination is exclusively Korean or even East Asian for that matter. And while I’ll readily admit that big eyes are certainly, say, a prominent feature of manhwa (만화) or manga for instance, that is more to make especially female characters look more youthful rather than a fascination with big eyes per se )
Steve also says:
So, yes, it LOOKS like Korean women are trying to look Caucasian, but that doesn’t mean that’s the real motivation, and I haven’t seen any evidence to really suggest that Korean women are running around trying to meet a beauty standard intended for the whole purpose of appearing like the very Caucasians Korea is continuously trying to keep at arm’s length.
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That last point is very eloquent, and is a good, pithy way to round off a university paper or a newspaper article, let alone a comment in a humble blog. Unfortunately, it’s also completely wrong. It doesn’t take academic study of Korea and/or of Anti-Americanism in Korea and abroad to know that public displays of antipathy towards America and/or Caucasians and/or Foreigners usually go hand in hand with fascination, jealousy, and extensive trade and cultural links, and the stark differences in the way Caucasian and non-Caucasian foreigners in Korea are treated is evidence enough that Koreans don’t want to keep Caucasians “at arm’s length.” When non-Koreans are negatively-portrayed and scapegoated by the Korean media – and I’ll be the first to admit that that happens entirely too often – invariably it’s for domestic political purposes and/or to deflect attention from Korean society’s own flaws.
Finally, Gord says:
There’s no shortage of students who are happy to suggest that contemporary images of Korean femininity are *fueled* by Western icons of “beauty,” but I think it’s worth throwing in a grain of salt, since many of the same students who are talking about this now, were one semester ago regurgitating rather distorted versions of Edward Said’s Orientalism. *shrug*
For sure, and that’s something to bear in mind when reading the next section.
4. Images of Caucasians in Korean Women’s Magazines
Because this post is already rather long, I’ll do little more then outline the conclusions Minjeong Kim and Sharron Lennon come to in their article ”Content Analysis of Diet Advertisements: A Cross-National Comparison of Korean and U.S. Women’s Magazines” (Clothing and Textiles Research Journal, October 2006), and readers can form their own opinions from those.
Because of a lack of prior research (pretty typical for Korean Studies) they write that null hypotheses were developed:
Hypothesis 1: There will be no difference in the percentage of diet advertisements in Korean and U.S. Women’s magazines.
Hypothesis 2: There will be no difference in the percentage of female model’s ethnicity in Korean and U.S. Women’s magazines.
The two Korean magazines they used were Women Sense/우먼센스 and Jubu Life/주부생활, and the two U.S. magazines were Red Book and Good Housekeeping. You can read details of the hypotheses and methods of the samples from pp. 351-353, and details of the results from pp. 353-359.
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Hypothesis 1 isn’t relevant to this post, but it is to Parts One and Two, and is still very interesting.
In a nutshell, Kim and Lennon found that the hypothesis was false, and the percentage of diet ads in Korean women’s magazines was significantly higher than the percentage in U.S. women’s magazines (11.8% to 3.5%), and also that they tended to promote passive dieting methods, reinforcing the idea that buying their advertised product will solve weight problems with no effort required on the part of the user. Unfortunately, most of those claims are completely false, but because diet products are technically considered supplements in Korea, they are not regulated by the strict guidelines used for pharmaceutical products. Even in the rare cases that companies are prosecuted by the Korean Consumer Protection Board, penalties are minimal and companies often merely close down, reopen under a new name, and go on selling the same product with a different name.
Shocked? Unfortunately asbsent or ineffective regulations are a fact of life here, as things like almost all Korean Vitamin C drinks containing carcinogenic benzene and 88% of Korean organic food is completely fake demonstrate. Not only is little done about this, but I recall that in that benzene case above the KFDA wasn’t allowed to mention the names of the three vitamin C drinks that didn’t have benzene…how ironic that Koreans have to turn to a Chinese news source to find out what they’re drinking.
In such circumstances, it’s no wonder that impressionable young girls take the messages of dieting product companies to heart: as Kim and Lennon report (p. 357), in 2002 half of Korean high school girls were anemic because of dieting-induced malnutrition, and were considered unqualified to give blood.
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Hypothesis 2 was also found to be false: U.S. magazines had larger percentages of White than non-White models (84.9% vs. 15.1%), whereas Korean magazines had much more equal percentages of White and non-White models (52.3% vs. 47.7%).
In Kim and Lennon’s words:
Instead of having predominantly non-White (Korean) female models in Korean magazines, White female models were as common as non-White models. The number of White models was actually greater than the number of non-White models. The presence of White female models in Korean women’s magazines to this extent suggests that the Western cultural ideal for women is ubiquitous and widely accepted among Korean women. Korean magazines seem to portray and promote Western feminine beauty as ideal and subsequently pressure Korean women to achieve the Western ideal. Subsequently, this indicates that the Western cultural beauty is not limited to Western countries anymore but has gone global. (p. 358)
Naturally I agree: it’s certainly telling that Korean women’s magazines have more Caucasians than Koreans in them. But it’s not unreasonable to argue that Kim and Lennon are making too much of a conceptual leap, without also considering the extent to which having Caucasian models in advertisements is a sign of wealth, class, and of a country having “made it.” Not coincidentally, the first time Caucasian models were even allowed in Korean advertisements was shortly before Korea was admitted to the OECD in 1996. As Taeyeon Kim (referenced earlier) explains:
A casual browser of Korean women’s magazines might observe that many of the models or settings in the advertisments are Euro-American or look Euro-American. This image has become ever more pervasive. In June 1994, changes in laws allowed the Korean advertising industry to use foreign models and celebrities, which quickly led to a sharp increase in the use of foreign models to sell domestic wares. No longer were only foreign products sold to Koreans with a foreign face, now even domestic products were marketed to Koreans by the likes of Cindy Crawford, Meg Ryan, and Claudia Schiffer. (p. 103)
She still comes to much the same conclusions as Kim and Lennon though:
While there does seem to have been a gradual increase in recent years of Korean models in domestic advertisements, these Korean models nearly all have features that have already been reconstructed to meet the prevailing standards of beauty which, if not totally white, are at least a melding of Asian and Western features, the ideal encapsulated by the increasingly popular ‘Eurasian’ look. Many of the articles and beauty tips in these magazines function on the assumption that the Korean body is flawed while the white body is the standard norm.
I don’t read Korean women’s magazines, but I have noticed the virtual absence of Korean women in lingerie advertisements here (it’s difficult not to notice, given the number of ads on subways and cable TV here). Or to be more precise, the fact that Korean models in them will almost invariably be fully clothed (a very rare exception below), but Caucasian (usually Russian) models will more usually be wearing only the lingerie. Sometimes in the same infomercial you’ll have Russian models in their lingerie but the Korean models fully clothed, holding the lingerie in a hanger. Seeing those for the first time years ago, it was difficult not to conclude that they reflected some pretty warped notions of Korean feminine virtue and foreign lasciviousness.
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To be sure, many Koreans do indeed have some warped notions of Korean feminine virtue and foreign lasciviousness. But now I think I was mistaken, and realising that the Russian models are signifiers of “developed country status” makes their numbers and their sharp distinctions with Korean models in ads more explicable. So despite what the two journal articles I’ve quoted at length in this post say, the mere presence of Caucasians in Korean advertisements certainly does not necessarily mean that Koreans have embraced and aspire to Western ideals of feminine beauty. But having said that, I do find the overall weight of evidence compelling.
And on that note, because I sense I’m beginning to lose the thread of things at this late stage of a much too long post, I’ll put this subject to rest for now!
Update: Years ago, Robert Koehler mentioned the Korean model Jang Yun-ju (장윤주), one of the few Korean models “that nobody will ever accuse her of cutting up her face to look white”. In a less academic phase of the blog (hey, we’ve all been there), I linked to many pictures of her here.
COMMENTS ARE NOW CLOSED 21/05/2010
Written over 2 years ago, this post was my first ever attempt to look seriously at the subject, and hence naturally many (but by no means all) of the arguments I made were misguided, and/or proved to be wrong as new information came to light. As this post no longer really reflects my views then, and I don’t particularly feel like defending things I may no longer believe, I’ve decided to close this particular post to further comments (many of which are also now outdated anyway!).
For more recent posts which do reflect my current views though, and which I very much welcome and promise to respond to your comments to, please see here and here. ^^
Tell Me about Ice Cream and Chocolate
I’m probably over-analysing it when I say that, to me, this recent ad of Kim Tae-Hee’s (김태희) is another example of a distinctive “2000s” style, but then that would hardly be a first for me:
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I’ve been humming it for days now. Here’s a recent song that it immediately reminded me of:
I like both despite myself. Bob Dylan or Tracy Chapman probably wouldn’t approve, and 10 years ago an ex-Sandinista guerilla lecturer of mine didn’t think much of Barbie Girl either, but then us Generation Xers will take what shared icons and sources of identity we can thank you very much.
So too, will Generation Y Koreans. No matter what I say about the Wondergirls, I’ll be the first to admit that the popularity of “Tell Me” is primarily because it’s just so difficult to shake the (not all that bad) rhythm out your head. Hell, our 15 year-old students will probably still be singing and dancing to it at 노래방s in 2038:
As will I be of the aptly-named “Can’t Get You Out of my Head” by Kylie Minogue, which followed me on computers all around Malaysia on my 2 week trip there in 2002. The song is haunting enough in its own right, but has special meaning to me as a personal symbol of globalization:
Admit it, you’re humming along to at least one of those videos by now…
Tell me: Why do the Wondergirls Matter?
(Number 5 of 7 Pictures of the Wondergirls on this Chinese porn site, found a whole three minutes after typing “Wondergirls” into Yahoo Image Search. Sorry to those of you who have regrets about the picture suddenly appearing on the screen in front of all of your students and colleagues, but, as you shall see, that you have those regrets at all neatly demonstrates one of the points I’ll be making!)
This post is a direct response to the second comment left by Chris in my last post on the Wondergirls. While I still think that he has deeply mistaken views about the Wondergirls and the issues they raise, I also think that a great number of people probably share them, and so it is worth me devoting a post to specifically addressing some (though not all) of his points, rather than losing my arguments at the end of a long line of comments that few people would bother scrolling through again.
Before I do, I must apologize in advance to Chris if highlighting what he said word for word here feels like a personal attack on him. But I don’t know how to avoid that.
Look More Closely
Fortunately for the sake of warming up readers up, we can start with something simple:
James, I don’t know how to convince you of Daegu high school girls’ clothing habits, but when out downtown on a weekend you can’t walk 10 feet without seeing a young woman who is obviously under 18, wearing high heels and/or a short skirt. Even when we took our high school students to the Busan Aquarium for a field trip, my very own students dressed much the same as some of the WG. You’re just going to have to trust me on this one.
This may sounds facetious, but I’m afraid that I really don’t think I can be convinced without photographic evidence.
I’ve put both videos up again below to stop people have to scroll between posts: in the first video certainly, the quasi-uniforms that a couple of the girls are wearing would be a strange sight in real-life. but are still within the boundaries of appropriateness and good taste. I never actually said that they weren’t. I don’t think many school students are wearing shorts as high as those orange ones between 0:14 and 0:17 though, but I’m willing to concede that there may be some, although I’ve never seen any myself.
But none of those observations apply at all to the second ad:
To paraphrase Bulgasari, bizarrely, if the ad to encourage voting was indeed re-fashioned to sell teenage sex instead, then the ad wouldn’t need to be changed much visually. To mention its features in order of least suggestive to the most, there are: none of the shirts being tucked in; two of the girls wearing suggestions of waistcoats, one of which is more akin to a crop-top considering it starts just underneath her breasts; and that one looks to be wearing a skirt but is in fact wearing an extremely high and tight pair of shorts with the pattern of the skirt. And don’t get me started on the dancing, or what any of all this has to do with voting.
Certainly, two girls are wearing clothes not dissimilar to normal school uniforms, and I think that when combined with the quasi-uniform patterns and designs of the other girl’s clothes, certainly would give the impression of normality with just a casual, single viewing. But repeated viewings and pausing reveals that 3 of the uniforms are anything but, and not at all like what you’d see at any Korean school, whether in Daegu or anywhere else.
Cultural Relativism?
Second point is perception. You and many others find the WG clothing and dance overly suggestive, while myself and many others do not. Who’s to say who’s correct? You say one of the girls strokes her breasts, I see her run the hands up the side of her body in an uninterestingly blase manner….
I won’t insult Chris’s intelligence by saying that he doesn’t know what cultural relativism is, but let me refer readers to When One Culture’s Custom Is Another’s Taboo by Barbara Crossette (New York Times, March 6 1999), to my mind a classic on the different but related and relevant subject of how “do democratic, pluralistic societies like the United States, based on religious and cultural tolerance, respond to customs and rituals that may be repellent to the majority?”. It’s also very short, well worth spending the 5 minutes it would take to read in its entirety. But for now, let’s consider just this (emphasis added):
But going more than half way to tolerate what look like disturbing cultural practices unsettles some historians, aid experts, economists and others with experience in developing societies. Such relativism, they say, undermines the very notion of progress. What’s more, it raises the question of how far acceptance can go before there is no core American culture, no shared values left.
Many years of living in a variety of cultures, said Urban Jonsson, a Swede who directs the U.N. children’s fund, UNICEF, in sub-Saharan Africa, has led him to conclude that there is “a global moral minimum,” which he has heard articulated by Asian Buddhists and African thinkers as well as by Western human rights advocates.
“There is a nonethnocentric global morality,” he said, and scholars would be better occupied looking for it rather than denying it. “I am upset by the anthropological interest in mystifying what we have already demystified. All cultures have their bad and good things.”
Murder was a legitimate form of expression in Europe centuries ago when honor was involved, Jonsson points out. Those days may be gone in most places, but in Afghanistan, a wronged family may demand the death penalty and carry it out themselves with official blessing. Does that restore it to respectability in the 21st century?

(Number 2 of the aforementioned series)
I hope that reference doesn’t make Chris rehash accusations of Orientalism against me, because the point I gained from that was that there are standards and limits that can not be crossed by the glib defense that him and I, and by extension Koreans and Westerners too, have merely different, but equally valid perceptions of what is and isn’t sexually suggestive. Somewhere out there, there are divisions between innocent and sexually suggestive that the vast majority of humans would agree upon, even though there will always be some individuals and groups of people that don’t for various reasons, and I think Gord explains very well why in this particular instance Koreans themselves do not see the Wondergirls as sex symbols.
But while they have limited exposure outside of Korea, the rest of the world does see them that way. Pictures or videos of the Wondergirls are certainly still some distance from child pornography, but then the first picture above especially and the place where I found them in particular give at least one demonstration of what’s being done with them and what non-Koreans consider them as, and that should at least give pause to the people who still protest that they’re nothing more than, say, innocent fashion shoots. And remove the Korean element from them, and the first thing most people familiar with the topic would say is that both photos above look like they’re from a Japanese schoolgirl photobook.
I’ll grant that despite my saying that there are limits to what 15 year-olds should be able to do and wear on national TV, it’s still a grey area and there are indeed issues of freedom of expression to consider too. But in Japan, the refusal of legislators to draw more specific lines between supposedly artistic pictures of underage girls in school uniforms and swimsuits and child pornography, for instance, led to nearly two decades of “art” photographers constantly pushing the boundaries, ultimately ending up last year with U-15s and even preteens in variously:
- their lingerie
- g-strings
- shoestring bikinis or whatever they’re called, with only the smallest of triangles covering their nipples
- doggy-style poses
- swimsuits stretched tightly over their labia while they’re on a gyrating chair simulating the “cowgirl” sexual position, their genitals sometimes only 10cm away from the camera.
All still technically legal because the law only prohibited nudity. It was only with those latter, most recent cases that legislators finally and belatedly stepped in and started making prosecutions (as I discuss here). I’m not saying that this will inevitably happen in Korea, Japan, for one, having a long pornographic tradition that Korea lacks, but not drawing lines between innocent and sexually suggestive dancing and photos at earlier points in Japan did ultimately lead from swimsuits to in-your-face child pornography there. So while sexually suggestive photos and videos of 15 year-old girls on TV will not lead to child pornography in themselves, unchallenged they certainly are a significant potential step in the same direction. And that is why the Wondergirls matter.
This is also connected to what Chris says later:
So far all I’ve seen regarding this issue from blogs like the Metropolitician and now the Grand Narrative are emphatic but nebulous statements that there is most definitely some correlation between the rise in popularity of wonjo gyojae and the increased sexualization of young women in Korea, OR that the WG are inappropriate because they might lead to REALLY bad things like that 6-year old girl who was really wearing next to nothing for no reason at all and dancing wayyyy more suggestively than the WG do in that youtube video. This is like when George W. said that gay marriage should not be allowed because, well if you let two men or two women get married, what’s to stop people from marrying their dogs or washing machines?
Chris does mention other factors behind the rise of wonjo gyojae/원조교제 than Korean teenagers’ increased sexualization as represented to me by the Wondergirls phenomenon, and these are all just as valid, but the absence of hard evidence for a correlation between, say, a future increase in teenage prostitution and the emergence of Wondergirls phenomenon, doesn’t mean that they can’t at least be a factor either. Even if they end up being 100% responsible, I’m not sure that hard evidence of a correlation that would satisfy Chris would even be possible, and am open to suggestions. But Chris seems to be saying that the absence of hard evidence means that media images of teenagers aren’t a factor in teenage prostitution at all, and that’s clearly not true. It would though, be difficult to accept if you didn’t view the above ads as sexual at all. Here is some extra evidence, although I sense that for some people there will never be enough:
Forced Sexualization, Cause and Effect
Actually, the second part of that original comment is the most revealing:
You say one of the girls strokes her breasts [in the first video], I see her run the hands up the side of her body in an uninterestedly blase manner….
Sure, she’s not working in a strip club, but her hands definitely go over her breasts, albeit very quickly. And I can’t imagine that there is a single woman in the world who wouldn’t make the same, really very unnatural gesture without knowing exactly what she’s doing. In that girl’s case, that she’s doing so in “an uninterestedly blase manner” is spot on, and suggests two possibilities:
1. That she knows what she’s doing and why a woman would do it, but her youth and sexual inexperience means that while she knows the basic mechanics of the gesture, she doesn’t really know how to pull it off in a more sexually appealing manner (ie, smiling, looking in the viewer’s eye, maybe licking her lips).
2. That she doesn’t know what she’s doing, and is only doing it because she’s being specifically told to do so by the producer of the video, and it’s thus to her it’s just another, uninteresting part of the video to be gotten over with. And judging by the other moves that the producer got her to which weren’t in the video, then I’d say that this explanation is much the more likely. See 3:02-3:32 of this video which shows the making of the commercial too:
My ass that that’s “just dancing”. Well, her ass rubbing against the big letter G at 3:26 to be precise. Why did the producer want her to do that? Maybe, just maybe, to use her ass to titillate male viewers, thereby helping to sell the product? Heaven forbid!
On a final note, and going back to the notion of hard evidence for links between the Wondergirls and other issues, I recall that there are a pair of orange books about Korean feminism sitting in most English sections of Korean bookstores which I’ve been meaning to buy ever since I started writing so much about Korean women’s body images several months ago (I don’t know the names sorry). I didn’t buy them earlier because they were full of mostly postmodernist waffle, but I desperately want one of them now because I recall that one essay in it discusses how Shim Mina/심민아’s (a.k.a “Miss World Cup 2002″) unconventional means of gaining public attention meant that, years later, it become perfectly acceptable for women to wear such revealing clothes in public, starting with similar national sporting events and increasingly outside of them too.

This is an example of supposedly “nebulous links” being more concrete than they first appear, and in this case may well have even provided part of the background to what the Wondergirls do being considered acceptable by Koreans. So I’ll try to find and buy the book soon.
Korean Women, Part 2: “Exercise” and Cosmetics
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Introduction
To recap, in Part One, I discussed the phenomenon of so many Korean women having such negative body images, in particular viewing themselves as obese, despite the considerable evidence to the contrary. I first made that observation back in 2000 when I was single and dating, and, judging by what commentators on that last post with more recent experience have said, little has changed since.
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Of the Korean women that told me that they were overweight, all said to me that they would be dieting to lose their (alleged) extra weight, and I was struck then by how few would consider doing exercise instead of or in combination with dieting, as in my experience it’s a far superior method. I accept that the word “diet” has a lot of connotations in Korean that it doesn’t have in English (see the above ad for instance), but that observation of mine was borne out by the findings of Minjeong Kim and Sharron Lennon in their journal article ”Content Analysis of Diet Advertisements: A Cross-National Comparison of Korean and U.S. Women’s Magazines” (Clothing and Textiles Research Journal, October 2006), which was the inspiration for this and the last post (downloadable here). In sum, they found that Korean women’s magazines overwhelmingly promoted passive dieting methods (e.g. diet pills, aroma therapy, diet crème, and diet drinks), overall giving the impression that “dieting is simple, easy, quick, and effective without pain, if they consume the advertised [products]“.
( Source: 台北BoA )
Against that observation is the equal amount of physical education female school students receive, the high numbers of gyms in Korea, the large numbers of women that go to them, and the advertising and media images of exercising women that I’ve decorated these posts with. In particular, I think the ads with BoA, Nike Korea’s front woman in 2007, wouldn’t look at all out of place in New Zealand. But just like I discuss in these recent posts of mine, these similar-looking images belie fundamental differences in the way Koreans perceive and react to the images in reality. I think fellow-blogger Gordsellar puts me/it best:
Korean culture really is truly more alien in some ways than suggests itself to us, because all around is clothing, music, iconography, and self-presentation that seems so familiar. Yet as James notes, the undercurrents are also quite unlike the undercurrents of our own Western culture.
Korean Exercise Culture in Reality
At some of the first ever Korean gyms I went to, the friendly “trainers” would often cheerfully suggest I have a break in between sets by sharing some of their steamed potatoes, cigarettes, and coffee from a coffee girl with them (girl hanging around and chatting with us included). It happened often enough for it not to be exceptional. I could go on and on with other bizarre, anti-exercise examples, but you get the idea: Koreans may have the same aims when they exercise, but their attitudes to exercise and methods can be very dissimilar to those of Westerners. And to my mind, women gym-goers illustrate the differences more clearly than the men.
(Right: Lee Tae-ran {이태란})
Some caveats: sure, that last may simply because I was naturally paying more attention to women at my gyms than the men. I also haven’t been to a gym in Korea since 2004, and I’m sure that at some Korean gyms out there that there must surely be some Korean women drenched in sweat, slugging it out on the treadmill and/or grimacing while doing ab curls. But I have picked the brains of my friends who do go to Korean gyms regulary, and they have confirmed the vast majority of women at gyms never lift weights, would often bring books and magazines to read on the bikes or treadmills, the pedaling and walking those often almost a slow, plodding afterthought to the reading, and would spend copious amounts of time on the “fat-jiggling” machines.
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In short, a very passive approach to losing weight and/or exercise, just like the article says. And it defies all common-sense: you don’t need a copy of Weight-Training for Dummies, for instance, to know that – unless you’re extremely obese and/or are attempting exercise for the first time – if you’re not drenched in sweat on the treadmill, muscles aching and struggling for breath…then you’re wasting your time. As I type this I realise that for many Korean women (and men), the same themes that underlie, say, Korean adults turning up to a conversation class and never speaking, or driving an SUV despite Korea’s population density, packed roads, and mountainous terrain, may also apply here: going to the gym is just element of cultural capital that signifies membership of the modern Korean middle class. Exercising isn’t the purpose, being seen to do so is, and so not enough Koreans have ever stopped to think about how effective their exercising is and/or how it could be done better.
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For sure, if I posed those points to many Korean gym-goers, they’d naturally take offense to my suggestion that they’re unthinking drones, and I’d get lots of logical-sounding justifications for say, how strapping a belt to your body and then doing complete fuck-all is a simply great way to lose weight. They could also point to the above two photos perhaps, to which I’d point out in turn that both things depicted were dismissed as useless in Western countries in the 1970s (see the link to the first photo).
I do concede that I am sounding a bit cynical and passive about Koreans in this post though, but then conversations about “fan death” have left me a little jaded (and, admittedly, arguing in forums about the subject of my last post hasn’t helped either). On the other hand, Western readers may agree about the futility of many Korean beliefs about exercise, but may also think gym-going as cultural capital is reading too much into it. Possibly. But then the amount of time many female gym-goers spend on their make-up or hair at the gym suggests to me that exercising is not their primary reason for going to gym. Hell, according to my friends, some of the guys spend almost as much time on their appearance there too.
The Purpose of Cosmetics
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Needless to say, oil and water don’t mix, at least at Korean gyms. I’m all for looking good while working out, and I’d be lying if I said I didn’t still pay attention to that when I’m jogging or cycling myself, but if I didn’t know any better I’d be very suprised at how female gym-goers don’t thinking healthy, toned, fit-looking, flushed and sweaty women, looking like they’re ready to get really dirty, aren’t attractive to men. But choosing to whiten their faces under thick make-up instead mirrors what they do outside of the gym too (no pun intended).
What it the purpose of cosmetics? To hide imperfections for one. One unintended consequence of my being partially bald sporting a fashionable and convenient shaved head is that, rather than being compensated by having no dandruff as one might expect, instead I have more, and have to liberally apply moisturizer to it everyday (“Fate, it seems, is not without a certain sense of irony”). I also remember what George Orwell said in Down and Out in Paris and London (1933), where he’s on an English channel ferry in the morning and notices men rubbing dirt off their face with their sleeves, but women covering it with make-up instead, and he jokes that maybe it’s a secondary sexual characteristic. On a side note, it’s a pity that Orwell is best known for 1984 and Animal Farm, because they’re both depressing as hell, whereas most of his other books are actually quite funny.
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But back to the topic: make-up, as well as clothes and body alteration, is indeed also used to accentuate our secondary sexual characteristics. And what is the purpose of secondary sexual characteristics? To attract the opposite sex (sounds obvious, but not enough Koreans seem to know this as I’ll explain). Hence the evolution of breasts on female humans for example, because they swell slightly during ovulation, signalling to mates that they’re fertile, in turn meaning that those with already larger breasts were more likely to mate and have children to pass on the trait to, in a feedback loop that gave human females exceptionally large breasts for primates (see here for more, but NSFW in a medical-textbook sense). Hence also my seeing no contradiction between, well, liking women in bikinis, and claiming to be a feminist, although I’m now wise enough not to put any pictures of those on blog for the sake of being treated seriously. But I do think that all too many women seem to resent men’s interest in their breasts, and while I can understand and do have the social graces to look at a women’s face and listen to what she’s saying, I’m never going to apologise for being a human male and reacting to female body parts in the fashion that nature intended.
But the main purpose of cosmetics for women is to disguise when they’re not ovulating, and has been ever since humans started decorating their bodies. Consider the following two pictures, take from this article:
On the left is a composite image of 10 women when their oestrogen levels were at their highest: ie, when they were ovulating. On the right is a composite image of the same 10 women at the opposite part of their cycle, when their oestrogen levels were the lowest. On the left, the…er…let’s say woman…has curvier cheeks, fuller lips, and most importantly, a flushed, redder, healthier-looking face. And that’s just her face. The woman on the right, in contrast, looks frigid and cold. Not to put too fine a point on it, the women on the left looks fuckable, the woman on the right doesn’t. And if I was her partner, if she looked like she does on the right then you’d find that I’d be spending more time with my friends etc. etc. away from her than normal, confident on a subconscious level that if she cheated on me than at least it wouldn’t lead to a child that I’d be tricked into raising for her. And this applies to “couples” even in platonic relationships. Somehow, men pick up the signals and call more, visit more, and spend more time and attention on women when they’re at the most fertile parts of their cycle.
(Update, January 2010: As it turns out, I misunderstood some of the details about this specific picture, but the points I made from it remain valid. See here for more details)
I can’t find the link for where I read that at the moment sorry, but other results include lap-dancers not on the pill (which disrupts this cycle) making the most tips, and at the most fertile times of their cycle too, women feeling and dressing sexier when they are at their most fertile, women finding other women uglier when they are most fertile and competing with them themselves, and women unconsciously walking more sexually when they are not fertile, in this case to attract the attention of males and, if a partner is picking up on her other signals that he can go and spread his seed elsewhere and not worry about her for the moment, to maintain his interest and concern.
I could go on, but you can read more for yourself here and here (although when you do bear in mind that some of the conclusions are based on a very 1950s and 1960s, male-breadwinner view of ancient societies that is very much open to debate), and much of it is common sense. But in Korea, the cultural imperatives to look Caucasian, which I’ve touched in other posts recently, mean that Korean women try to make their skins look as white and/or as light as possible, not only not disguising when they are not fertile, but even disguising their fertility too. It sounds glib, and of course there’s more important factors, but as I type this the thought came to mind that no wonder Korea has such a large prostitution industry when so many Korean women are making themselves look, well, as unattractive as possible. Recall that body sizes too small to reproduce with are the cultural ideal too.
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It’s midday here and I’ve spent 8 hours on this post in the last week (I kid you not), so I’ll put this subject to rest for the moment and concentrate on studying Korean for my test on Sunday. But let me leave you with the above cosmetics ad with Song Hye-gyo (송혜교), which on the surface looks like any Western cosmetics ad…but are you seeing a theme here? In 8 years here, I’ve never actually seen a Korean woman wearing pink blusher on their cheeks…it’s all about looking as white and pallid as possible. As per always, the relatively few media images of Korea and Koreans that are received outside of the country, in this case via Flickr, are not at all like the reality.
(Update: Naturally, in the week after I wrote that, I’ve suddenly noticed hundreds of Korean women wearing blusher. I think it’s a conspiracy myself, but I admit it could just be that they always did, and that I simply didn’t pay as much attention to it previously)
(Update 2: By coincidence, just after I finished writing this post I noticed these before and after pictures of Korean female stars wearing make-up. Needless to say, I find many of them more attractive before they were wearing make-up, although admittedly not all of them)
Lolita Pizza?
Well, a provocative title, but how else to describe the video? Two members of the Wondergirls group featured in it are still only fifteen.
The popularity of the Wondergirls and their increasingly sexual images and dance routines created quite a stir on expat message boards and blogs earlier in the year, both despite and in response to Koreans seemingly being unable to visualise them as sex symbols at all.
There’s already been more than enough virtual ink spilled on them, so rather than rehashing old debates I recommend this post of Michael Hurt’s for a good summary of them, and Matt provides useful background information on teenage sexuality in Korea here and here. But I will add that on this occasion this inability of Korean seems almost myopic: I don’t think I’d ever seen such “dance moves” on a prime-time commercial from an adult here, but for the Wondergirls the fact that they’re teenagers seems to mean that the normal rules don’t apply, no matter how blatantly they’re being abused.
Last month, they were also used in an ad as part of a campaign to encourage people to vote in the National Assembly elections, held last Wednesday. You could argue that technically their skirts could have been made even shorter, but here the National Election Commission seems to have known where to the draw the boundaries for the sake of good taste, appropriateness to the subject, and their right not to have their bodies used to titillate audiences:
Or not.
Korean Women, Part 1: Dating and Body Image
(Photo by 台北BoA)
Introduction
Today’s post is inspired by the journal article ”Content Analysis of Diet Advertisements: A Cross-National Comparison of Korean and U.S. Women’s Magazines” by Minjeong Kim and Sharron Lennon (Clothing and Textiles Research Journal, October 2006), which interested readers can download for themselves here if they want.
I found it myself while I was doing research for my recent posts on Korean women’s body images and consumerism, and unlike the article(s) I discuss there, that free access means that here I can concentrate on giving my opinions of the article and adding related things not covered in it, rather than simply rehashing much of its content like I normally have to. Hence I say “inspired by” and not “about,” and although the article is an easy, 20-minute read tops, you don’t have to read it to enjoy this post or the other two or three in the series.
Still, I think I can at least impose on you to read the abstract, so you know what to expect:
Content analysis of diet advertisements was performed to examine how diet advertisements portray the Western ideal of feminine beauty and promote dieting in Korean women’s magazines in comparison with U.S. women’s magazines. Results showed that the Western cultural ideal of feminine beauty and dieting were prevalent in Korean women’s magazines. Diet advertisements in Korean magazines appear to promote more passive dieting methods (e.g., diet pills, aroma therapy, diet crème, or diet drinks) than active dieting methods (e.g., exercise). Results further indicated that women may be misled to believe that dieting is simple, easy, quick, and effective without pain, if they consume the advertised product. This study suggests that there is an urgent need to establish government regulations or policies about diet products and their claims in Korea. Magazine publishers also need to recognize their role in societal well-being and accept some responsibility for advertisements in their magazines.
Yep, it’s another “girly” subject, which got me thinking: online, I often get accused of being a woman, and while I couldn’t care less really, a new reader to the blog could be forgiven for thinking that I am a woman given this and recent subjects. What can I say? I like women, and unfortunately I can’t say much more than that without giving the impression that I do actually care (damn). But by coincidence, the first thing I thought of when I read that journal article is something probably every expat guy in Korea can relate to, and it just goes to show how the ostensibly girly subjects on my blog have much more of a universal appeal than they may at first appear.
You’re Not Fat, Dammit!

(Photo by KimchiSugar)
Teaching children rather than adults, and being married and a father now, then I don’t have time to often meet new Korean women these days. But when I did, I was always amazed at how readily many would mention to me that they thought were fat and needed to lose weight. Sure, not immediately, but soon enough into our relationship (professional, platonic or otherwise) to be noticeable. Especially if they were in their early-20s too, and always virtually regardless of their actual weight and body shape or size.
Back when I was single, I would find that dates and/or semi-girlfriends often would too. Naturally, if that happened today I’d probably call it a night right there and then, but the first few times it happened, I’d feel like offering a quiet prayer of thanks for the opportunity offered: surely the very first guy to compliment her about her body, after a lifetime of criticism about her weight from relatives, friends and Korean men, would reap the rewards of making her feel good about herself? It sounds very calculating on my part, and was, but that is the nature of dating. And for obvious reasons, I wasn’t actually lying when I did it.
But…sigh…how young and naive I was. Thirty minutes and numerous repeated compliments later I’d still be nowhere, and, exasperated, would be well into covering the facts that:
1. Regardless of what she was aiming for, all men’s instinctive preference is for women with a 0.7 waist to hip ratio. Although, hell, a good 99.99% or so of sexual encounters are done for pleasure rather than reproduction, males and females still find the most fertile mates the most attractive. And women with hourglass figures just so happen to be 30% more fertile than the androgynous figures favored by many Koreans.

2. Women’s ovaries don’t work below 18% body fat: see page 347 of the article for more, and come to think of it it’s even mentioned in G.I. Jane too. Sure, not all women are blessed with the most fertile body form, actually the vast majority aren’t, but that doesn’t mean that our base, uncouth male reproductive instincts don’t only respond to a woman of any form that can actually get pregnant.
(Image detail from Bouguereau‘s The Birth of Venus.)
It’s no exaggeration to say that I wouldn’t have to walk very far from my apartment to see many extremely thin, immaculately dressed and make-uped(?) women at the height of Korean ideals of beauty, but which for the life of me I could never imagine having a sexual relationship with. To be precise, they remind me of a Garfield cartoon where he pours water on a poodle to reveal that it’s really just eyeballs and hair, and I too simply can’t image that under the make-up and clothes of the women I describe, that there’s someone with even the physical constitution to have and enjoy sex, let alone of having a child. And so I strongly suspect that, if they’re in a relationship, that they don’t have sex, and in some cases are surely no more than trophy girlfriends for their male partners to show off.
Certainly, much the same can be said of many women and relationships in Western countries too, but there it’s increasingly difficult not to hear about the distinction between real life and the ideals of beauty represented by the fashion industry. Even the fashion industry itself has begun to respond to that in recent years, and women’s magazines have paid more than lip-service to it for decades too, although articles about healthy body images will often still literally be alongside advertisements with ultra-thin models. But in Korea, there is no distinction, and in hindsight that follows on from fashion for conformity’s sake that I discussed in earlier posts. It’s also something that I think someone has to have Korean ability and/or be in Korea to appreciate, because image searches of Korean women on English-language sites like Google or Flickr and so on, for instance, tend to reveal healthy-looking women in line with English-speaking users’ tastes and photographic interests. They don’t capture just how skinny and how so many ordinary, apparently non-photogenic Korean women have become in pursuit of the thin ideal.
And hence all the above both contributes to and is despite the fact that:
3. Korean women are the amongst the least obese in the world. Now, I’m from a Western country (three in fact – it’s a long story), so with that background and her own, not unreasonable, stereotypes of Western women, did she really think that I’d find her obese? I did have hair then, and wasn’t that ugly…did she think I’d scraped the bottom of the barrel with her or something…?
All very romantic I know, but then I’ve long since moved on from what I actually said on those dates (sorry). But I’m not exaggerating when I say that I married the first Korean woman with healthy curves that not once mentioned that she thought she was too fat to me. And I’m speaking literally: when I say “healthy curves”, I don’t mean them in the euphemistic sense that Westerners are used to, and when I say that she never said that she was too fat to me, I mean that she…well, never said that she was too fat. I don’t mean that she was “confident” with her body, and there is a difference: because of the contexts in which it’s used, I think to most Westerners that that phrase conjures up an image of a sexually-aggressive women flaunting herself in a crop-top for instance, and, not that I’m against that, but that was out of question in rural Korea in 2000. But she did never wear a t-shirt over her swimsuit at the beach, and although it may be difficult to believe now, that was quite daring back then.
Bikini Feminism
To illustrate what I mean, consider the following photos. The first two are now normal sights on Korean beaches, and I’m perfectly serious when I say that this fact is to be applauded. I won’t pretend that I don’t mean that in my male, voyeuristic sense, but I also mean it in a feminist sense too:
(Photo by Jeremy Chae)
(Photo by Jeremy Chae)
Claiming that bikinis are good for feminism possibly – hell, probably – sounds patronising and facetious to many female readers. But then consider this picture, which from experience was the norm on Korean beaches in 2000:
(Photo by model337)
Yes, the woman on the left is indeed wearing a bikini, but is that make-up on her face too? And I can’t imagine that the women on the right wouldn’t prefer not be dragged down by the weight of their heavy t-shirts, but are only wearing them because of embarrassment. So when I say that my wife was the first attractive Korean woman I’d met who was simply comfortable with her body, and that that was very refreshing after my previous dating experiences here, then hopefully you can appreciate how much more meaningful that statement is then maybe it first appears.
And in hindsight, it was so telling of Korea too. Because that was despite her being “fatter” than most of her then friends, and that those friends reminded her of that seemingly every time they met. That she still hung out with them despite that – at least until I convinced her otherwise – now makes me realise how routine this perception of themselves must be for many Korean women, although I already suspected because of how little I’d been able to change the minds of those women I dated before I met her. They would nod dutifully at my verbal barrage, and some would even be surprised and interested, but I still had a gut feeling that I what I’d said hadn’t and would never ultimately make any difference to their body images.
I suspect that while my arguments may have been better received if they’d been made by a woman, it would have taken a Korean woman to ultimately convince them. In a sense, what I was saying was a criticism of Korea in that I was criticizing a concept of women’s beauty that many if not most Korean women and men subscribe to, even if it isn’t actually Korean per se. And unfortunately, it’s a fact of life here that all too many Koreans will give little credence to something only said by foreigners, regardless of its objective reliability.
(Image right by publish9)
Or is it? Does all the above still apply? Those dates were back in rural, conservative Jinju in 2000, not quite the same place as Seoul in 2008. Does this still happen on dates with Korean women? Do Korean women still constantly moan about being fat with their friends, Western and/or Korean? Could a picture like the above be taken in a nightclub outside of Seoul? These are all questions I’d like to pose to readers.
Nobody will believe me because I’m still not up to the “diet” in my post’s title, but nevertheless I really didn’t start this post planning to make it a series! But I’ve decided to break it up because of the length and especially those questions above. As you can guess, I haven’t been on a date in 8 years, and so while I’m loath to admit it – I am a longtimer and Korea-Studies geek after all – someone who’s been here a grand total of say, 8 weeks may well know more about the Korean dating scene than I do. So I really would appreciate feedback before moving on to Part 2.
Update: If you’ve read this far, then you’ll probably like this related recent post at Korea Beat too.






















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