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Pregnancy, Caesareans and Body Image in Korea

Posted in Body Image, Childbirth, Korean Demographics, Korean Sexuality, Pregnancy by James Turnbull on September 11, 2008
( Celebrity mother Byun Jung-soo (변정수), posing in July 2005 and then July 2006. Source )

I’ve been reading a lot about Korean modernization recently, and it’s been interesting to see how the few feminist sources on that uniformly emphasize the sociological themes of the nuclearization of the family and “housewifization” involved in the process that “traditional” accounts lack. Related are the adoption of rational, Western models of health-care and mothering as symbols of that modernity too, and hence I came to be reading the following description of becoming a mother in Korea in the very same week that my second daughter suddenly arrived:

“Women experience acute conflicts and tensions in accepting their new, post-birth identities. Especially amongst the younger women [interviewed], the “mother” identity conflicts severely with their identities as an independent, self-reliant professional woman, or as a lover or wife of a young husband. Moreover, in the 1990s, mass media touts images of beauty, youthfulness and competence; this discourse on femininity, which implies that women should continue to be “feminine, slim, and competent,” makes it much more difficult for them to accept the physical and social changes accompanying childbirth. Therefore, women exert tremendous efforts to lose the extra pounds they put on during pregnancy, and some, concerned with their body shape after delivery, even diet during pregnancy. Some choose to bottle-feed their babies instead of breast-feeding simply because they want to go on a diet immediately following delivery. Also, some young women commented that they suffered from post-partum depression, which resulted in part from their own conflicts with their changed status.

(Kim, 1997: 363. My emphasis)

Of course, the first half of the paragraph is applicable to virtually any new mother in any developed society, whereas the part that I’ve emphasized is probably most common in Korea and East Asia. But however perverse it sounds, in a sense it’s a logical conclusion to the excessive emphasis that Korean women tend to place on their body images, demonstrated by the fact that, for instance, while Korean women in their twenties are the slimmest in the OECD they actually consider themselves to be the most obese personally (reference to be added over my coffee tomorrow morning; for now, see here). With plenty more factoids like that to offer based on my research on Korean women’s body images, then personally I’m not at all fazed by this new information (new to me that is), and have a gut instinct that the statement is equally if not more applicable of Korean mothers today than when it was first written.

(Update: For an interesting, more down-to-earth description of becoming a mother in Korea, see here)

( In March 2007. Source )

But let’s examine this “gut instinct” of mine for a moment. Certainly I think I’ve earned the right to able to make judgments on the validity of any statements made about Korean women’s body images, and that revelation of Kim’s is very much in line with what I already know about them. But then I’m only just beginning to scratch the surface of mothering in Korea specifically, and have no research of my own to back that up. Unfortunately, Kim provided no evidence for her assertion either.

Was it absolutely necessary for her to do so? Certainly in a thirty page article in an academic journal not every point needs to be religiously referenced, particularly if it is considered common-sense and/or an article of faith by readers, generally specialized academics already very familiar with the topic. Nor does a lack of evidence by any means imply fabrication either.

But the more I study the topic of Korean women’s body images, the more I become aware of what I previously regarded as common-sense for the subject may sometimes be little more than preconceptions on my part. Take what I regard as Korean women’s Caucasian body ideals for instance. While there is much more basis to my belief in those than the fact that it is extremely rare to see a Korean rather than a Caucasian model in lingerie advertisements (see here for a summation of them), it’s also true that those advertisements were certainly the most visible and glaring piece of evidence in favor of them: turn on a Korean TV, open a Korean women’s magazine, or simply wait for a bus, and one is soon bombarded with images of Caucasians. Hell, of course Koreans place them on a pedestal.

( Source )

But at the very least, the recent revelations that Korean models merely disdain lingerie modeling as “beneath them” demonstrates that things are more nuanced than they may at first appear, and cross-country comparisons (see here and here) of the number of Caucasians in Korean advertisements need to be reexamined in the light of this new information: would the numbers of Caucasians drop dramatically if lingerie advertisements were excluded? More pointedly, did they lead me to see inferiority complexes and racial motivations in other aspects of Korean women’s body images where none actually existed?

Naturally I don’t think so, but it’s good to remember that what passes as common-sense is really very specific to cultures, periods, individuals and their agendas, as I’m sure any expat in Korea is fully aware. The author of this recent post on the bodies of young Chinese gymnasts at Feministing, for instance, quotes a study that finds 46% of American women to naturally have “rectangular” body shapes, whereas to me (and this commentator) that figure is simply absurd. But the otherwise excellent quality of that post also leads me to believe that the author didn’t simply pick and choose a source which best supports her arguments; rather, she genuinely believes that most American women generally do not have the curvy, hourglass figures that have been so venerated historically, and both our notions of common-sense just so happen to support our different takes on that (see here and here for mine).

Hence, what one author or groups of authors regards as common sense always needs to be challenged. To me, the classic experiments of Harry Harlow reveal this truism best.

( Source: fotos.rotas )

Back in the 1950s and 60s, it was generally believed by the scientific community that rats were just as effective experimental subjects as primates for learning about human behavior, a position that just so happened to be much cheaper and convenient for researchers too. It was also believed that there was absolutely no basis to the idea that children with bad parents would be more likely to be bad parents themselves either. To prove the former wrong in particular, Harlow conducted:

…a series of experiments on mother-child bonding in rhesus monkeys. With hindsight, many of Harlow’s tests seem quite hideous. In order to demonstrate that it was comfort rather than food alone that baby monkeys sought from their mothers, he created a pair of monstrous models: cloth mother and wire mother. Cloth mother was soft and cosy. Wire mother was hard and uncomfortable, but delivered milk. No prizes for guessing which one the babies preferred to cling to. Some mothers were even worse. In order to investigate maternal rejection, brass-spike mother, air-blast mother and others like them were brought into play. Harlow had no time for the euphemisms which, even today, are used to soften the descriptions of experimental procedures in scientific papers. The apparatus he devised to impregnate females whose courtship skills had been destroyed by their sterile upbringing was known as the rape rack. The inverted pyramid used to impose isolation, in order to investigate the origins of depression, was the pit of despair.

The results were exactly what you might have expected. Children need mother love. Upbringing matters. Females who are neglected as children go on to neglect their own children. But Harlow’s experiments were needed to convince the experts of this self-evident truth. And those experts held sway over the child-rearing practices of the day. Monkeys had to suffer so that children might not. The University of Wisconsin’s psychology department was nicknamed “Goon Park” because its address, 600 N. Park, could read that way on carelessly addressed letters. As a comment on crude behaviorism, though, the name could not be bettered.

(“The Goon Show”, The Economist, Jan 23rd 2003. My emphasis)

Unfortunately, any “choice” of English-language sources to use on Korean sociology is usually a choice between finding the one source you’ve found and…well…not using any at all, but it’s still something to be aware of. This led me to look much more critically at a 2001 article from the Los Angeles Times on the popularity of caesarean sections in Korea (the best I could find by googling) than I would have previously, and as a result I’m surprised to say that South Korea seems to have received an undeserved bad press for its supposedly high rates compared to Western countries. Some excerpts from it:

( Source: butejin )

Labors of a Caesarean Culture

By Mark Magnier, April 19, 2001.

Proportionately, South Korea performs more caesareans than any other nation, with 43% of its babies entering the world under the knife, compared with 20% in the United States. Public health experts say many Koreans, awed by modern Western medicine, believe that caesarean deliveries are safer than natural births.

But more than simple misperception appears to be driving up the caesarean numbers. Until recently, doctors and hospitals earned three times more, or $1,490, for a caesarean birth than for a natural one. Add in longer hospital stays, and the fees jumped as high as $8,000.

“The major blame should go to the doctors,” says Kim Ki Young, deputy research manager with South Korea’s National Health Insurance Corp. “They’re always urging women and frightening them in order to boost their fees.”

Doctors, however, cite factors other than profit, including a legal system that absolves physicians of most liability in the case of caesarean births but leaves them vulnerable when accidents occur during natural ones.

Women often report being told weeks in advance that they will need a caesarean, even though medical literature suggests that the procedure should be a last resort generally decided on in the delivery room after signs of trouble appear.

Another factor in the incredibly high levels, public health officials say, is convenience. Doctors prefer to handle births during regular office hours rather than see their schedules upset by a long labor that lasts late into the night.

South Korean public health officials say the 43% figure is so high that they have been reluctant to report it to international research organizations. Recently, in an effort to reverse the trend, the government insurance corporation-part of a universal system funded by company and employee premiums-has dramatically reduced its reimbursement schedule for a caesarean, although the operation still generates more income for doctors than does a natural birth.

But the most common argument is the different ways the two procedures are treated in court. Under the assumption that a birth requiring a caesarean must be problematic by definition, the law saddles doctors performing caesareans with much less liability than in cases of natural birth. The fact that the law spurs more caesareans was an unintended consequence.

“The courts are always finding doctors guilty, so it’s common sense they try and avoid natural childbirth,” says Park Moon Il, professor of obstetrics at Seoul’s Hanyang University.

The number of childbirth malpractice suits in South Korea remains tiny by U.S. standards-49 for the entire country in 1999 out of 616,000 births. But the Health Ministry plans to submit legal changes to the National Assembly this year that would equalize liability in caesarean and natural births.

Not all the blame, however, can be placed on doctors’ shoulders. Women also play a role for some very unscientific reasons. One commonly held belief in Korean society is that women who undergo caesareans will be thinner and physically more attractive than those who give birth naturally. Another holds that the sex life of women who undergo caesareans will be better than that of their natural-birth peers because the birth canal will not have been distended.

Also prevalent in South Korea’s education-obsessed society is the view that squeezing the baby’s head through the birth canal risks dulling the child’s intelligence, ultimately hurting the youngster’s chances of getting into a prestigious university.

“The important thing is to eradicate these myths,” says Kim Sang Hee, director of WomenLink, a South Korean nonprofit group.

Saju, Korea’s art of numerology derived from ancient Chinese practices, is another culprit. Superstitious mothers-to-be visit saju masters for advice on the best days to give birth to children who will be healthy, wealthy and wise. Armed with the input, they request caesareans.

The publicity has resulted in more women questioning doctors when told that they need a caesarean. “I can see a change taking place among medical consumers and future mothers,” says Chung Hee Kyung, a senior reporter of the Women’s News, a weekly newspaper. Still, most believe that it could take many years before a fundamental shift in the culture is visible.

Medical experts say part of the sharp rise in the caesarean rate stems from South Korea’s greater affluence over the last few decades, during which its society enthusiastically embraced Western medicine. Only now is the pendulum swinging back as Koreans rediscover the benefits of midwives and other long-standing medical traditions.

I was tempted to cut and paste the entire article, but the length prevented that. Instead, I chose to highlight both the unique elements to South Korea’s birth culture it mentions and those which are actually just as applicable to virtually any modern medical system too. But perhaps this American cartoon puts it best:

( Source )

But while interesting, figures in newspaper reports without reference to sources are next to useless really, something I’ve begun to repeatedly emphasize on the blog recently (sorry). This blog post providing a summary of different countries’ rates of Caesarean births doesn’t provide them either unfortunately, but does demonstrate that the figures for South Korea, while excessive, are not particularly higher or lower than in many other countries. Paradoxically, that’s still relevant despite the lack of sources, because while the author of that may well have had at least a subconscious desire to exaggerate and/or select sources which gave high rates, there’s no reason to suggest that in a blog not at all related to Korea that those of Korea in particular were done so more than any other countries mentioned.

Moreover, one author that does mention her sources, albeit to books which I’m not going to dogmatically link to the Amazon pages of here, is Maureen Baker (2007), and the excerpts from her book below demonstrate that South Korea practices are by no means exceptional:

Rates of Caesarean deliveries vary by the age, social class, and ethnicity of the mother, with older, wealthier, and ‘European’ or ‘white’ women more likely to experience such deliveries in Canada, the United States, Australia and New Zealand (Baker:83).

Considerable controversy exists over [the rising rate] of Caesarian births, which are increasing partly because women are having their first baby later in life and medical practitioners tend to define these births as ‘high risk’ Doctors and nurses view childbirth as risky if women are over age of 35…

Doctors use Caesarean deliveries to limit the risks of vaginal birth but also to reduce their potential legal liability if the birth becomes complicated. However, Caesareans also can be conveniently scheduled in advance and command higher fees because they require more medical expertise.

Some older and wealthier women may ask their doctors for a Caesarean delivery because they are encouraged to believe that they are safer, but also because they can be scheduled in advance. Some journalists have suggested that a few women are convinced that [they] provide aesthetic and sexual benefits over vaginal births (i.e., an abdominal scar is seen as a lesser disadvantage than a ‘loose vagina’ from vaginal birth that may impede sexual satisfaction (Baker: 84).

The steadily increasing rate of Caesarean births over the last century has become one of the most contested issues in maternity care. The WHO…suggests that the optimum rate should fall between 5 and 15%….however, in some regions of a number of countries, rates range from 25 to 45% of all births.

If a doctor cautions a pregnant woman that vaginal birth could be risky for her, few patients would have the means of evaluating this medical advice and most would be likely to accept [it]. Doctors, as well as pregnant women and their families, do not want to take unnecessary risks in childbirth.

I’m not suggesting for a moment that Mark Magnier, the author of the Los Angeles Times article, lied or exaggerated in his article, but I do suspect that only one source was used for the figures in it. Had more been, then I suspect that the (more accurate) article would never have made it into print, reporters – and bloggers – tending to emphasize the differences between the culture examined and that of the majority of readers, and hence a title along the lines of “Korean Rates of Caesarean Births About the Same as Most Western Countries” not quite being eye-catching to readers. On the other hand, the fact that Caesarean deliveries are usually performed unnecessarily overseas too doesn’t somehow render the same in Korea more acceptable somehow, and I recommend reading the owner of the blog Ranting of An Englishman’s account of the recent birth of his child for a personal negative experience of it here.

P.S. In hindsight, this post may have given the impression that my wife just had a Caesarean, and/or that I don’t have any problems with them. Quite the opposite, on both counts!

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Baker, Maureen, Choices and Constraints in Family Life, Oxford University Press, 2007.

Kim, Eun-shil,  “Women and the Culture Surrounding Childbirth”, in Korean Anthropology: Contemporary Korean Culture in Flux, Anthology of Korean Studies Volume III, ed. By Korean National Commission for UNESCO (2003), pp. 343-371. Originally in Korea Journal, vol. 37, no. 4 (Winter 1997), downloadable here.

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  1. sonam said, on September 12, 2008 at 9:59 am

    Interesting, as always. I also read through the links, including your previous posts. Despite being far from an expert on genetic/ethnic variation in Asia, I would like to put this out there: I think Koreans are the least healthy people in Asia (of course this excludes people dying of malnutrition). Asians, with the exception of the mongolian variety, are genetically very low in body fat – like africans (they are more closely related to africans than caucasians). Everywhere I have been in Asia, aside from Korea, people have beautiful bodies. This is due to genetics, food, and typically lots of physical work. Koreans eat lots of super unhealthy western food. Young Koreans avoid exercise like the plague. In reference to your previous post, they have no idea what they are doing at the gym.

    Koreans are skinny-fat!

  2. Sarah said, on September 12, 2008 at 10:21 am

    Since I’m expecting my first baby and will deliver in Korea, I found your post very interesting. I’ve found that Korea’s birth culture is as messed up as Western birth culture (see “The Business of Being Born”), which is very sad. Korea’s is just a bit more interesting because of all the weird myths leftover from long ago. My Korean girlfriends freak out if I break into a jog to catch a green light. They defend the practice of not showering for a month after birth because Korean bodies are “different.”
    Concerning birth itself, I’ve had to change hospitals in order to ensure I can have the birth experience I’m looking for. So many hospitals here are baby factories, where I’m sure doctors schedule inductions and C sections for convenience. Wish me luck…. :S

  3. Flo said, on September 12, 2008 at 10:59 am

    Sonam, the ‘genetic’ argument for asians being low in body fat is BS. Port anyone to a country where there is little scarcity and buffets galore and they’ll be looking like ‘Westerners’ in no time. Diet and exercise is most of the factor in someone’s looks… on a base of genetics. Not the other way around.
    Skinny fat – yes, I agree there… you can be skinny and unfit… but that’s not caused by genetics but rather habits and an environment that doesn’t encourage exercise (especially of women because they don’t want to ‘bulk up’).

  4. James Turnbull said, on September 12, 2008 at 11:24 am

    Sonam,

    thanks for the compliment, but I’d have to strongly disagree that Koreans are the least healthy people in Asia. Certainly certain segments of the population do seem particularly unhealthy, middle-aged men in particular seeming to drink and smoke excessively, and I’m always amazed out how instant noodles are generally regarded as an acceptable meal rather than the junk food they really are. I’ll never really get used to Koreans’ bizarre attitudes to sleep either.

    On the other hand, the evidence suggests that Koreans are as a whole are still relatively healthy, their life expectancy being higher than that of my native New Zealand for instance, and although their consumption of Western junk food is going up, of course it’s much less than that of Westerners themselves. Meanwhile, while a lot of Korean food is excessively sweet, salty or spicy, most remains cheap and healthy with a great deal of vegetables, and also more and more people doing even ineffectual exercising at the gym, and so on, is still obviously much better than not doing anything at all. It also implies a greater awareness of and attention to maintaining their health.

    As for Koreans not having beautiful bodies, obviously I’d have to vehemently disagree with you there ;) , but that’s entirely subjective.

    Sarah,

    thanks also, and I’ll have to check out your blog more often as the date comes closer! It is interesting how Korean birth culture is still very much stuck in an earlier era, and I sometimes find it exasperating the lengths to which Koreans will go to to justify those practices which were logical and necessary once but clearly no longer are. Not showering for a month, for instance, made sense with dirty water supplies and houses that weren’t well insulated against the cold, but in 2008? Saying that it’s required because Korean bodies are “different” smacks of desperation when logic fails to me, much like it did during the mad cow mania recently. Not to imply that in the case of girlfriends worried about you jogging to catch a light, for instance, that it isn’t done out of anything but a genuine concern for your health though.

    Flo,

    your comment came through while I was typing the above. I can’t think of anything to add to it sorry, but I completely agree, and you may find this post on Korean women getting cosmetic surgery to reduce the size of their “muscular” calves interesting.

  5. sonam said, on September 12, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    Yes, I said that society, not genetics is the main cause for Koreans being skinny-fat. Additionally, from the international journal of obesity:

    The objective evidence that, at the same BMI, Asians on average have a higher percent body fat and a greater waist circumference than Caucasians is convincing, as is the literature showing that at the same BMI African Americans have a lower percent body fat and smaller waist circumference than white Americans.

    http://www.nature.com/ijo/journal/v27/n11/full/0802417a.html

    I would find you some more convincing research but, being an american, i’m too lazy.

    Ok, how about Koreans being the least healthy looking….

  6. sonam said, on September 12, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    life expectancy has a lot do to with access to quality healthcare

  7. sonam said, on September 12, 2008 at 8:59 pm

    whoops, my quote is only logical in the context of the article – in it’s application towards koreans, sorry.

  8. James Turnbull said, on September 13, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    Sonam,

    agreed, life expectancy has a lot to with access to quality healthcare. But if Koreans are indeed “the least healthy people in Asia” as you claim, logically that would mean that you’d attribute their high life expectancies are almost solely due to that access, yes?

    With the effects of access to quality healthcare being more or less equal in developed countries though, in my own experience usually the role of diet is stressed in longevity instead, particularly in Japanese people’s consumption of fish and relative dislike of milk products, or Italians’ consumption of pasta and olive oil.

    Forgive me if I’m overanalyzing, you do say “Ok, how about Koreans being the least healthy looking” later, but still. Doubt you’ll find many people agreeing with that sentiment either, particularly on a Korea-related blog!

  9. Melissa said, on September 15, 2008 at 10:27 am

    Hi,

    Great post.

    I’m glad you mentioned the dubious benefit of using newspapers as citations. I often find that the only (er, easy:) sources I can find on Korean culture are from The Korean Herald – which rarely cite their own sources.

    About the breastfeeding tho, I’ve always thought it odd that “some choose to bottle-feed their babies instead of breast-feeding simply because they want to go on a diet immediately following delivery” because breastfeeding (and I know this from experience) is one of the best ways of losing post-baby fat. Most Korean women I speak to know this as well. I think that many women in Korea, a place that only grants 90 days post-partum leave, feel a great pressure to return to work and consequently can’t breastfeed continuously. And constant/consistent breastfeeding in the early days is needed to establish a steady milk supply. If you add to this the free fake milk they give women in hospitals, the lack of support from the general public, the lack of breastfeeding support groups and organizations – like La Leche League – in rural areas or smaller cities, and the persistent belief (the reasons for which would make a separate interesting study) that babies over one year shouldn’t be breastfed, then I think it’s easy to see why so few Korean women breastfeed past 3-6 months.

    What Korea needs is some famous (slim & beautiful) celebrity mom to talk about the glories of nursing/expressing milk and we’d start to see an increase in numbers. ^^

    Cheers.

  10. James Turnbull said, on September 16, 2008 at 10:59 pm

    Melissa,

    thanks, and sorry I took so long to reply.

    I confess that despite mentioning it in the post, until recently I’d never thought much about breastfeeding. Personally I’ve known for as long as I can remember that breast milk was much healthier than formula, probably mainly because I’m allergic to milk and have had to be constantly thinking about what I could and couldn’t eat ever since I was a kid, but also partially because I’m an ex-astronomy major with a geekish interest in all things science-related, and I was very interested one day to read the actual scientific reasons for the discrepancy between the two. My wife feeling exactly the same way about it’s health benefits, and working from home after the birth too, then the decision-making on our part about it was very short and simple!

    I did have my father send us some emergency soy formula though, as my allergy is genetic. Fortunately my first daughter doesn’t have my allergy nor needed the formula, but with my second daughter being premature and my wife’s body literally being all mixed up, then formula may be something we’ll have to reconcile ourselves too.

    But back more to your comment, I was very surprised at the lack of public support that Koran women have, but in hindsight the various internet groups that my wife is a member of are generally already well-informed, motivated women by definition, and not reflective of the public as a whole. Also, like you mention, most Korean women are aware of the benefits, not surprising considering how many programs about it that even I’ve seen on Korean TV, and I knew of the 90 days maternity leave too, but I didn’t realize the practical impact that that would have on breastfeeding.

    I’ll see if I can find any celebrity Korean moms who did/do promote breastfeeding, but even my wife can’t think of any.

  11. Palapo said, on September 17, 2008 at 9:40 pm

    James,

    Interesting and informative as usual. My wife and I are just entering this stage, and we’ve also come across all these weird myths. Some, like the showering thing, seem to be commonly held, but others, like the breastfeeding thing, only a small minority seem to believe. The whole thing’s been a bit of an eye-opener. Hopefully what you’ve said will help me to make sense of it all (I mean from an intellectual standpoint … that still won’t be any help actually navigating the cultural minefield that awaits, but hopefully I’ll feel better for knowing perhaps why!)

    Sort of on this topic, this week’s 인간극장 (sp?) follows a Korean-Aussie couple living in Ulsan who decided to have a home birth–totally not our bag, but different strokes for different folks and all that. Anyway, the couple complained quite a bit at the start about how difficult it was to organize the logistics. They were also clearly sick of having to constantly justify their decision to other people. The show had potential to highlight an interesting issue. Unfortunately the Aussie guy is a complete twat, which makes the thing virtually unwatchable.

  12. James Turnbull said, on September 18, 2008 at 11:54 pm

    Palapo,

    thanks, and if your wife is looking for recommendations for Korean pregnancy, mothering and “international couple” sites to check out, let me know, and my wife will pass them on.

    I haven’t seen that edition of “Human documentary”, but my wife has and she mentioned it to me, as she actually recruited the guy about four years ago! She said he was a complete freak then too, and given his penchant for eating sandwiches with hot pepper paste and mayo, for one, clearly still is. Like you say, the program had potential, and I can sympathize with his problems, but he was hardly the best spokesperson for his cause.

    I used to watch the program to study Korean, as almost all of the dialogue has accompanying (Korean) subtitles. But the subjects were often simply dull, with little to sustain interest in one episode let alone five a week, and the narrator’s cloying and smug-sounding tone of voice got grating after a while.

    Update: The Joshing Gnome doesn’t think much of him either.

  13. yueqing said, on October 3, 2008 at 1:10 am

    Wow..interestg article..will come back to read instead of glance through..thanks for the articles!! very interesting

  14. James Turnbull said, on October 3, 2008 at 7:10 pm

    Yueqing,

    thanks, and you’re welcome!

  15. John M. Warner said, on October 30, 2008 at 6:59 am

    James – Just found your blog while searching for info on Byeon-Jeong soo photos (when she was pregnant). We’re in the process of making a webpage for a nursing class assignment, dealing with Korean prenatal care (Hawaii Community College ADN program) as part of a transcultural focus .(http://www.hawcc.hawaii.edu/nursing/transcultural.html)
    Chosun Ilbo ran her pregnant photos, but when I sent an email for use permission, it didn’t work. I was hoping you might have a suggestion as to whom I could contact re: permission. I found your comments on body image, cultural notions, and ceasarian sections in Korean culture very interesting. Thanks – John

  16. John M. Warner said, on October 30, 2008 at 7:11 am

    James – What I meant was cesarean sections…should have used my spell check before posting. It seems to be a fairly popular procedure where we are at, as well. I just finished a clinical tour (postpartum, nursery, labor and delivery) at our local hospital on the Island of Hawaii and noted that quite a few c-sections were scehduled. Thanks – John

  17. James Turnbull said, on October 30, 2008 at 7:42 pm

    Sorry John, I’m somewhat at a loss too. To what address did you send your email? My first thought was that it was ignored simply because it was in English, and if not then my second is that it may never have actually been received, as many Korean email services automatically reject or mark as spam emails received from non-Korean ones, including hotmail, yahoo and gmail. That may sound like somewhat of an exaggeration, but unfortunately it’s true, and they feel little incentive to do anything about it.

    Probably your best bet would be to get a Korean speaker to write an email in Korean and send it from a Korean email account, like Naver or Daum. I’d offer myself, but unfortunately I’m just too busy with looking after my young daughters sorry.

  18. John M. Warner said, on October 30, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    James – Thanks for the advice–I’ll get one of my classmates to email Chosun Ilbo – John

  19. Justice said, on November 18, 2011 at 12:37 am

    Wow, another internet shit blog.


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